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                        IMAGES, IDOLS and INTERRUPTIONS  part 2


Father is so good!!  We can depend on Him with everything. I had an experience this week, that showed me just how faithful Father is to keep His Word to us. I was going to end this study in a different way, but, Father took over and did it MUCH better than the way I was going to do it. Let me say this: Father used many people to bring forth this part of our study.

We've been talking about Images, Idols and Interruptions. And I'll tell you. Those of us, that Father has called to go on in His Plan are having our heavens shaken and the IDOLS are falling!  Praise His Name.

As you know, many fight against revelation that Father gives to some, and some don't either don't receive it or reject what He is being giving. We will know BY EXPERIENCE ,some of what Jesus had to face. The name calling, the back stabbing, the laughter, and much more. But, as I spoke with Father, He told me, "those who are denying My Truth, are having their spirit stirred". And I had to stop and praise Him!!

Whether, one looks at the "Sonship Message", or "The Finished Works Message", or whatever name one wants to put on the Word of God, He reveals His Truths to us. We, either, are open to hear Him, and whether we understand what He says, when He gives it or not, we WILL receive the understanding. Father doesn't give revelation, just to have something to do, He has a Plan that will be/IS manifested. He is so good.

I really wasn't aware that there were so many who do not know, not only WHAT they are, but also, WHO they are. People get so wrapped up in definitions, proving how well scripture can be spouted, and showing what great scholars they have become, that they get lost in those acts.  They forget the LOVE, the Patience with those that SEEM to be so "uneducated" in Father's truths. They forget that the Truth that Jesus taught wasn't well received, either. The PIOUSNESS is there, the soft spoken words, the "right sounding words" are there, but, the FRUIT isn't.  They sneak around like the priests that tried to catch Jesus up, in a mistake. And so it goes.....

We are to learn from one another, because we are ALL a portion of His Body. One has never received it all. So, none of us can say of another, I don't need you. If we do, the Body will be deformed!  This is how images form in the NATURAL MIND. "I can't possibly be wrong, why, I can quote every scripture in the bible"!  This attitude brings one to think of what Jesus said:

John 5:39-40, "Ye search the scriptures; for in them ye THINK ye have eternal life; and they are they which TESTIFY of me. And ye WILL NOT COME TO ME, that ye might have life."

We can get caught up in the help books, the many translations of the written Word, all the scholarly translating, and refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to show us real truth. This is called , AN IDOL !  Are we to study the Word out?  Absolutely!

2Tim. 2:15, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. BUT, shun profane and vain babblings; for they will increase unto more ungodliness."

Now, some take this scripture and try to work it THEIR way. They decide WHAT they want to teach; get out all their help books; get a Hebrew and a Greek Lexicon out and proceed to teach what they learn from these books. And, don't get me wrong, books of help are good to use. BUT, we need to GO TO FATHER or better still, allow Father to DRAW US into WHAT HE WANTS TAUGHT, and THEN after He has spoken, we study. He is sure to give us understanding and bring forth His Anointing in what HE speaks through His Body.

IDOLS!!!  They are falling. And when we fight against what Father is removing from the mind, in order to bring forth the MIND OF CHRIST, then come the INTERRUPTIONS!!  The interruptions of Father. When we refuse to listen, to a Present Truth, He will bring forth an interruption that will make us think that the devil has resurrected and is coming after us!!  LOL!!  I laugh, but, this is a serious work that Father is doing. And sometimes we NEED to be interrupted in our busy-ness of forgetting that we cannot live on yesterday's revelations. Yes, they are incorporated in what He will reveal, but Hebrews tells us that we are to move on from yesterday's revelation.

Hebrews 6:1-3,  You know, I want to look at some scripture, before these.

Hebrews:
1:1, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time PAST unto the fathers by the prophets, (2) Hath in these last days (this was in Jesus' day) spoken unto us by his Son, (which we are NOW), whom he hath appointed HEIR OF ALL THINGS..."


1:10, "And, Thou Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands; (11) They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they ALL shall wax old as doth a garment; (12) and as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall BE CHANGED;  but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail."

Now, we can look at the heavens, as the ones up in the sky, or we can look at the heavens as what He is shaking. (within us). When Father starts shaking our heavens, the things that we refuse to turn loose of, has BECOME AN IDOL TO US. So, He starts INTERRUPTIONS. It can be a painful thing to HAVE HIM to cause our IDOLS TO FALL.  Idols can be things in the natural, a person, a piece of graven imagery, but those, Father isn't concerned with. He is concerned with the idols we hold in our mind!  And as HE changes these things, the idols began to even leave the natural.

Some are and have made, RULES, RELIGOUS RULES IDOLS. "My brother (or sister) won't give up their afternoon beer and their cigarettes. And I have told them they have made idols out of those things".  Friends, Father isn't worried if you have a beer or a glass of wine. He isn't concerned with whether you smoke or not. As He changes our thoughts, our heavens, those things fall away, if they control us, instead of us controlling them. What a person is doing when they tell a brother or sister that they have an idol, because someone has a glass of wine, is called JUDGING!!  And PROBABLY they haven't removed the splinter from their own eye!!  Idols are something that we put before God, those natural things are just things against our FLESH BODY, not Father. But, as Father brings forth His revelations, and gives understanding, the flesh things fall away.

Idols (that we are looking at) are a THINKING that God doesn't go on moving. Doesn't bring forth something that WE don't agree with, understanding that WE may not have, so we curse it with our words; folks this is an idol. When we think that He has given US the Word, and there can be no other. These are the idols that Father is bringing down. Let me tell you something. 100 years from now, Father will still be bringing forth things that we don't know TODAY!!  He will be giving understanding that we may not have. And I'll tell you something else. ALL of Father's revelations ARE WITHIN US!  ALL HIS WORD IS WRITTEN IN THE NEW HEART THAT HE GAVE US, WHEN WE BECAME NEW CREATURES IN HIM.  This is the  MIND OF CHRIST COMING FORTH!!  It is the renewing of this old, carnal mind that we've been using.  And all the IDOLS that have built up in that carnal, religous mind.

Refusing to turn loose of old teachings are idols.

Hebrews 2:1, "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let slip....."

Hebrew 6:1-3, "Therefore LEAVING the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfedtionn;  not laying AGAINthe foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment; And this will we do, if God permit."

I want to be sure we understand the first verse, here:  LEAVING:
#863 leaving: PER THAYER'S GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT:
to leave, not to discuss now, a topic, used of teachers, writers, speakers, etc/

principles: the confidence in which we have made a beginning; beginning, origen. (see more in Thayer's).

Now, this CLEARLY tells us to lay aside the beginnings of a doctrine. No matter whether it be, salvaiton, pentecost or the kingdom. Why? Because if order to grasp the new revelatio that Father is going to give, we need not think about what we were already taught. We don't try to incorporate things that Father has taught us in the past. The PRESENT TRUTH will do all the incorporating that is neeed. We just take what Father gives us and do with it, what He tells us. IF the new revelation seems to contradict something we've learned in the past, believe me, Father will show us how it all comes together.

Sometimes, things sound more religous, the more scriptures we use. When actually, IF we don't even use ONE scripture, the Holy Spirit will make things perfectlly clear. What we need is to just allow the Holy Spirit to witness to us, Father's Truth. Have you ever wondered about some, who don't even know how to read, how do they know so much? Spiritually, folks, spiritually.

Ok, now. When Father shows us a truth, forget what you've learned before. Either we trust HIM to teach us truth or we don't. If Father brings forth a truth through someone, whether we believe it or not, if we leave it before Him, HE will show us. And it's time we stopped saying, "But, Father, some time ago , you taught me this...".  I'm sure that Father says in return, "well my son, NOW I'm teaching you ...this!"  And as we accept of Him, somewhere along the line, it will all come together and we'll say, "Oh, ok, I see."  

The following is some discussion that I was a part of. Now, I want it understood, IT IS THE SUBJECT that is important, not who said what. We will see some teachings that have been held onto, regardless of any new additional facts that Father has taught. All that were involved in these discussions are precious parts of Father's Body. They love Him as we love Him. But, I find, and I don't mean to insult anyone, that sometimes the longer one teaches, the harder it can be to turn loose of teachings, when Father expands on those teachins further.

This first, is regarding the TWO COVENANTS.

This discussion began with a thought by someone, who says that we are a Spirit Being. Not a man, not an animal, but a Spirit Being. I for one, believe this. If you've read the study that I did on Genises, then you know why I believe as I do about this. This is the statement that was made:

"It's true that God is all in all, but, we are the ONLY creature that God breathed the breath of life into. Instinct is different  from something that Father Breathed His own breath (however one wants to look at "breath" )into. Is there any other creature with eternal life? I really haven't studied this out, but I don't think so. It's because they are not spirit beings. "

Then, came the response:
"**********************
I am reminded of these words:
Eccl 3:18-22
18 I said in my heart, "Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals."
19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.
20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.
21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?
22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him? NKJV"

Now, thest two remarks are going to lead to the two covenants.

The first remark was saying that there is a difference in animals and man. Although, God is all in all. Man is the ONLY CREATURE that Father breathed His Own Breath into. (now, we're not going into "breath". This will leave a place for study for each of us). Which, this first remark was made meaning we, people, are the ones who inhabit Father's own , not only Being, but that also came to life by Father's breath. Now, of course, there is MUCH beneath the meaning of "Father's Breath". But, for the sake of thinking of people and animals, let's just focus on breath as we know it.  So, one person was thinking that WE are the closest thing to Father's heart, because we have His Very Breath.

This second remark, really made me stop and think!! To say the least.  I had questions running through my thoughts like crazy. I was saying, "Father, WE are created in YOUR IMAGE and yet, your Word says that we are like ANIMALS!!  And as someone else pointed out, the word "like" was not suppose to be there, it was added by translators. So, actually, it was sayig "that they may see that they themselves are animals".  WOW!!  That was quite a blow to me. Then I went on reading.

"what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals"
"all go to one place;"
"all are from the dust and all return to dust".


Needless to say, the winds went right out of my sails!!  I thought about the teaching that I KNOW came from Father, about Life On Both Sides of the River, that I had sent out to many, many people. I thought, oh Father, have I mistaken Your Voice and sent out a wrong teaching!!  I went to bed at 12:30 PM , VERY, CONCERNED!  I went to sleep with all this on my mind.

And faithful, as Father is, He woke me up at 4:15AM. saying this,
"Linda, don't forget My New Covenant".  Well, I got right up and started seeking His New Covenant.

This response came into play:

"It appears to me that our main problem has been 'order'.  1 Cor. 11:3 - gives us the correct order.  The Spirit/male is the head of the soul/female, and the sou/female, thel head of the body/senses...
    When the Spirit was put to sleep, the Soul 'took over' rulership, ruling without the Spirit/head.  As a result it fell and became ruled by the body/senses, which had to result in death.
    Jesus came to show us the correct order again, and initiated it through the awakened Spirit within,  allowing it (Father) to rule and perfect the soul again, which in turn ruled the body.  This was how his body (us) was perfected.  He reversed the order back to the correct way. "

Then, came something, a little deeper:

"There are very deep and scientific and theological ways to explain things and that is fun for us.
At the same time, there is a very simple explanation that goes right along with the 'deep.'
Man (Adam) was put to sleep which indicates the darkness. The light (God) shines 'out' of the darkness. "The kingdom of God is within you."
What comes to us from the outside never gives enlightenment. Only what is revealed from within or the light which is waiting to shine from that same within. The darkness. There is much more but wanted to say something simple. Hey! That's a contrast to how I usually talk."

Let me say, I learned SO MUCH, once I was introduced to "CONTRASTS"!!  I never really thought is terms of "contrasts". And like I was told, in my words, "without contrasts, how can one know what one shows about the other? And that's true. Without darkness, how can we know light?  Without wrong, how can we know right?  ANd then there's another thing to be learned: BOTH sides of contrasts are of Father, for us, to learn that all things are of Father!!  Light and darkness are the same to Father. It takes knowing "wrong", to take dominion of it. What a learning this was, this group was a blessing. So, let's get on with the covenants.

We saw some things about the first covenant, but what does Father say about the second covenant?

This is what I found to some of the questions:
         Does having a covenenant equate with eternal life? The new covenant that Father made with us does.
Gen 9:10 indicates that all of the creatures on the Ark had the 'same' covenant. That was the old covenant.
Naturally, that is from the physical sense. If you want to take it within and go for the deeper spiritual sense, then it takes on much more meaning.
         All of the living creatures that were with Noah were aspects of his inner being. And, they are all aspects of our inner being. I won't go into it but it is there. I absolutely agree with this.

It is true, God did make a covenant with Noah and all that was on the ark. But, we are not of that covenant.
         
Heb 8:6-13, "But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER COVENANT, which was established upon better promises.  FOR IF THAT FIRST COVENANT HAD BEEN FAULTLESS, THEN SHOULD NO PlACE HAVE BEEN SOUGHT FOR THE SECOND. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold the days come, saith the Lord, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day when I took their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt.......VS 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the Lord:  I will put my law into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a PEOPLE........VS 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old, Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. "
         
I do not see any mention of a covenant with the animals.  Also, I don't see where He wrote His laws on the hearts of animals. As one said, I do believe that God directs plants, animals , reptiles , the kingdom of animals. But, we are FATHER'S LIFE on earth.  "as He is so are we in this world". "it is not I that lives, but Christ lives in me".

Col 3:10, "And have put on the new man, which is renewed  in knowledge after the image of him that created him.
Eph 4: 24, "And that ye put on the man, which after God is created in rightousness and true holiness.
2 Cor 5:17,
Luke 5:36, "And he spake also a parable unto them: No man putteth a piece of a NEW GARMENT upon an OLD; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was out of the new AGREETH NOT with the old.
           2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT). not of the letter, but OF THE SPIRIT for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth  (quickeneth) life.


         
Eccl 3:18-22
18 I said in my heart, "Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals."
 The new covenant changed ALL OF THIS.
19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.   This may have been true, in the old covenant, but, I do not believe it is a part of the new covenant.
Luke 5:36, "no man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old.....the new agreeth not with the old".
20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.

         This is a good example showing that we are Spirit beings. Before Jesus came and died for all men, ALL of man went into the dust, at death. Once He came, and His Spirit resurrected us with Him, at physical death of THE FLESH BODY, the body goes into the dust, but WE, being SPIRIT BEINGS pass over into the Spirit realm. Where Heb 12:1, tells us, that we are surrounded by a GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES.  Also, in Rev. and in Dan. we are told of ONE, (the Body of Christ) stands with one foot in the sea and the other foot on the earth, DECLARING.....the Body of Christ is teaching BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER.  This is why I say that we are Spirit Beings, not only were we created OUT OF GOD, WHO IS SPIRIT, but, also when the flesh body dies, IT IS NOT US that is dieing. If that were the case, God would have to die, when the flesh body that He indwells dies.  
         Those beings spoken of here in vs 20, were not regenerated men. They did not have the Spirit living as their life.
21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?
Jesus did!!  He went and set the men of the OT free, when He was crucified. And if He knows this answer, then we do too, or will know it.
22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?     Father tells us that the Comforter will teach us ALL THINGS.

"Now that the veil of flesh has been 'rent' when Jesus died on the cross, the Light is being allowed to start shining in our hearts and minds again.  This is a gradual process, but it is becoming brighter and brighter each day "unto the perfect day".  As long as we are 'under (less than) the sun (Son), there is nothing new".  However, when we real-"I"-ze  we are Sons and not lower, but equal to the Son, we can see ALL THINGS NEW.  We are Sons of the Most High God"

"Regarding the words from Eccl.  - Are they not thoughts from the Adam (flesh) man?  Supposedly Solomon wrote the words, but they seem to me to be from un-regenerate man who has no hope of any life beyond the present one.  We are told in other places that we are Spirit beings (Gods).  True, we all have one breath now, but that is the 'external' life, which is mortal.  Eternal Life is LIGHT/Wisdom, which is Internal, and is immortal.  Just another thought.... "

This is what I found to some of the questions:
         Does having a covenenant equate with eternal life? The new covenant that Father made with us does.
Gen 9:10 indicates that all of the creatures on the Ark had the 'same' covenant. That was the old covenant.
Naturally, that is from the physical sense. If you want to take it within and go for the deeper spiritual sense, then it takes on much more meaning.
         All of the living creatures that were with Noah were aspects of his inner being. And, they are all aspects of our inner being. I won't go into it but it is there. I absolutely agree with this.

It is true, God did make a covenant with Noah and all that was on the ark. But, we are not of that covenant.
        
Heb 8:6-13, "But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER COVENANT, which was established upon better promises.  FOR IF THAT FIRST COVENANT HAD BEEN FAULTLESS, THEN SHOULD NO PlACE HAVE BEEN SOUGHT FOR THE SECOND. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold the days come, saith the Lord, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day when I took their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt.......VS 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the Lord:  I will put my law into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a PEOPLE........VS 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old, Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
        

 I do not see any mention of a covenant with the animals.  Also, I don't see where He wrote His laws on the hearts of animals. As one said, I do believe that God directs plants, animals , reptiles , the kingdom of animals. But, we are FATHER'S LIFE on earth.  "as He is so are we in this world". "it is not I that lives, but Christ lives in me".

Col 3:10, "And have put on the new man, which is renewed  in knowledge after the image of him that created him.
Eph 4: 24, "And that ye put on the man, which after God is created in rightousness and true holiness.
2 Cor 5:17,
Luke 5:36, "And he spake also a parable unto them: No man putteth a piece of a NEW GARMENT upon an OLD; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was out of the new AGREETH NOT with the old.

2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT). not of the letter, but OF THE SPIRIT for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth  (quickeneth) life.
        
I believe this is the difference in that man that was spoken of in Ecc 3:18-22.  That man, who was as animals, DID NOT have the Holy Spirit of God indwelling them. They were of the first covenant. Jesus had not come (in the attonement that manifested, long after it was made before the foundation of the world). We are not the same as those men were. We are NEW CREATURES , regenerated, restored, reconnected to the ONE we came out of (out from within), God our Father.
I believe that every animal , in the natural, represents a NATURE in unregenerated (or I should say in those who DON"T KNOW that they have been regenerated) man.
        
Eccl 3:18-22
18 I said in my heart, "Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals."
 The new covenant changed ALL OF THIS.
19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.   This may have been true, in the old covenant, but, I do not believe it is a part of the new covenant.
Luke 5:36, "no man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old.....the new agreeth not with the old".
20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.
       

 This is a good example showing that we are Spirit beings. Before Jesus came and died for all men, ALL of man went into the dust, at death. Once He came, and His Spirit resurrected us with Him, at physical death of THE FLESH BODY, the body goes into the dust, but WE, being SPIRIT BEINGS pass over into the Spirit realm. Where Heb 12:1, tells us, that we are surrounded by a GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES.  Also, in Rev. and in Dan. we are told of ONE, (the Body of Christ) stands with one foot in the sea and the other foot on the earth, DECLARING.....the Body of Christ is teaching BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER.  This is why I say that we are Spirit Beings, not only were we created OUT OF GOD, WHO IS SPIRIT, but, also when the flesh body dies, IT IS NOT US that is dieing. If that were the case, God would have to die, when the flesh body that He indwells dies.  
Those beings spoken of here in vs 20, were not regenerated men. They did not have the Spirit living as their life.
21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?
Jesus did!!  He went and set the men of the OT free, when He was crucified. And if He knows this answer, then we do too, or will know it.
22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?     Father tells us that the Comforter will teach us ALL THINGS.


Now, we've seen some to the old and new covenants. (take time to study them out). As for incorporating the old covenant into the new covenant, I don't think we can do that. We are told to "leaving the doctrine of...". We cannot say, well that old covenant is for the people who aren't saved. Folks, lister, ALL ARE SAVED!!  They just don't realize it yet. But, they will.
And I'll tell you another reason why I don't believe we can live, even a little bit under the old covenant, is because it was part of the Law. The New Covenant is GRACE!  And what does Father tell us about this?

Gal. 5: 3-4, "For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the WHOLE LAW! Christ IS become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE."

Now, you may ask, what has the New or Old Covenant got to do with IDOLS?  Simple. If we refuse to move on in Father's revelations, because we hold on to certain "pet doctrines" , then we have made that doctrine AN ILOL!!  And to get our attention, FATHER WILLCAUSE AN INTERRUPTION in our thinking, if you will.  He will STIR HIS SPIRIT within us!

These are the idols that Father is concerned with. These are the idols that are being shaken in our heavens.

I want to thank all that was involved in this discussion. And let us all ask Father to shake our heavnes of any IDOL that we have made of scriptures. It is His Spirit that quickens.

to be continued....




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